Friday, April 30, 2010

Contracts and Worth Cont.

Brenden-
Pujols, -1b Berkman, 1b H Ramirez, SS. Cabrera, C Jones 3b/LF, Holliday LF, Fielder 1b , Braun Lf, Gonzalez 1b and Carlos Lee Lf.

09 - 308 at bats - 10 home runs - 11 steals - 50 runs. - .415 obp
08 - Full season - 27hr - 112 Rbi's - 116 runs - 25 steals - .376 opb -GOLD GLOVE
07 - 33 hr - 112 Rbi's - 23 steals - 97 runs - 23 - steals - .353 obp - GOLD GLOVE
06 - 41 hr - 116 Rbi's - 127 runs - 18 steals - .388 obp - GOLD GLOVE
05 - 582 ab - 16 Hr - 78 RBI's - 17 steals - .330 Obp
04 - 38 hr- 104 RBI- 121 runs - 42 steals - .367 Obp
03 - 26 Hr - 100 Rbi- 102 Runs - 41 steals - .346 Obp
02 - 29 Hr - 105 Rbi - 114 Runs - 35 steals - .389 Obp
01 - 24 Hr- 101 Rbi - 106 Runs - 31 steals - .362 Obp
00 - 372 ab - 7hr - 44Rbi - 49 Runs - 13 steals - .309 OBP
1999 AL Rookie Of the year.
Salary $19,401,571 8th in baseball.
Grady Sizemore's Top Production Years By Category:
HR: 33 - 2008 (Only Time over 30)
Rbi- 90 - 2008
Run: 134 -2006 (7 more runs than Beltran's high in same year)
SB: 38 - 2008
Obp: .390 - 2007
2007-2008 Gold Gloves in Center feild.
Salary $5,766,666
As Center Feilders go, this is the closest comparison I could find. And if we take the 1 season wonder arguement and apply it to somebosy that is not a Met (FOR ONCE) you will see that if you take away 2008 there is not even a comparable year.
-Now since you were nice enough to give me 3 &1/2 outfielders to compare to I will make a few comparisons. But lets not be silly and say that an Outfeilder is an Outfeilder is an Outfeilder. Belran's defining defensive playoff moment with Houston was that diving catch against the Cardinals that was impossible yet done. Matt Holliday's defining defensive playoff moment sent his team home for the year on Air Buckner.
Lee (Who can't catch a cold salary $19,000,000 $401,571 less than Beltran)
HR - 37 in 2006
Rbi: 119 in 2007
Runs- 102 - 2006
SB- 19 -2006
Obp - .342
Gold Gloves 0
Holliday (Salary $16,333,327 and will rise every year)
Hr.-36 - 2007
Rbi- 137 - 2007 (Better than Beltran's Best)
Run- 120 - 2007
Sb- 28 - 2008
Obp- .409
Gold Gloves- Only the One he had made for the playoff game last year.
Ryan Braun( Who has only been pro for 3 Seasons so yes he might do better but yes he might also get hurt) Salary$1,287,500 hasn't played for arbitration yet.
Hr-37
Rbi- 114
Run- 113
SB- 20
Obp- .386
Gold Glove- 0
And Just for Fun
Career High- Hanley Ramirez- Carlos Beltran - Winner
Hr- 33 41 Beltran by 7
Rbi- 106 116 Beltran by 10
Run- 125 121 Ramirez by 4
SB- 51 42 Ramirez by 9
Obp- .410 .389 Ramirez by .021
Gold Gloves- 0 3 Beltran by 3

So I get my numbers from the strangest place... I GET THEM FROM THE NUMBERS.

Tavman-
And again Gold Gloves rarely go to who should get them when put into statistical analysis such UZR and UZR/150. You get a one and chances are you are going to get more based on rep. Now I'm not saying Beltran isn't a damn good fielder (when he clearly is) and isn't a great five tool player but he's not one of the top three OF in the game and arguably (which I am clearly arguing) doesn't deserve the multiple gold gloves. Based on the above stats to the best three in the Natl league were Jayson Werth, Randy Wynn, and Cody Ross.

But we are talking money and contracts. He's one of the highest paid players in the games and his numbers just don't back that. Guys like Braun and Hanley don't count as their still under early deals but the point is that Beltran is paid like one of the top five guys in baseball and he clearly is not. Now you talk how OF aren't all equal and the other guys are 3b or 1b well that's why those positions are paid more because there is a great difference in the quality of the player and the top tier. Money that big goes to Pitchers and power hitting 1b and 3b not to CF who 162 avg is a very run of the mill
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
162 713 625 113 177 35 7 28 107 30 4 76 113 .283 .360 .496 .856 119 310 11 3 2 7 7
It's the same reason why a left tackle is paid much more that a left guard or center in football because they are worth more. Would you rather have a 19 mil beltran or a 5 mill Sizemore?
162 742 643 113 176 39 8 26 85 26 8 82 143 .273 .364 .480 .845 123 309 6 12 2 3 7
I would rather have the extra 14 mill to spend on other players.

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